A Further 2 Birthday Cards

Birthday Cards For One Of My Sisters

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In my first post of this month I mentioned that several family members have their birthdays in February so I’d have to make a card each from Mam and myself for each of them.

This post is showing the two cards made for one of my sisters.

CRAFTING
What I Did

I sat with my mother and we chose a couple of toppers we liked from some kits I had.  I then chose some papers for matting and layering, and collected together some more of the little flowers and trailing ivy that I’d cut out using dies for a previous project.

I cut the papers to size, at the same time trimming the white paper a little before sticking the sheets, folded in half, as inserts inside the cards.

For the first card I stuck the topper to the mat using fingerlift tape, and then the matted topper to the base card using 1mm deep foam tape.

For the second card I stuck the topper to the mat using 1mm deep foam tape, and then the matted topper to the bae card using fingerlift tape.

I added the flowers and foliage, adding faux gems to the flower centres, and finished off by adding peeloff greetings inside and out.

What I Used
Finished Items

Card 1

Card 2

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I have several bits of different crafting on the go at the moment, so keep an eye out for them over the next few weeks.

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And Another 2 Birthday Cards

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Birthday Cards For Yet Another Of My Nephews

In my first post of February I mentioned that several family members had their birthdays during that month so I’d have to make a card each from Mam and myself for each of them.

None of them like fussy or fancy, so I’ve kept the cards I’ve made already quite simple, concentrating on rural to suit the recipients.

CRAFTING
What I Did

I started by scoreing snd folding white cardstock to make 2 A5 base cards. Into these I stuck inserts.

I looked through a pack of topper images with my mother and we chose a couple we thought would be suitable for the recipient.

For the first card I stuck the topper to the mat using fingerlift tape, and then the matted topper to the base card using 2mm deep foam tape.

For the second card I stuck the topper to the mat using 2mm deep foam tape, and then the matted topper to the bae card using fingerlift tape.

I finished off by adding greetings both inside and out.

What I Used
Finished Items

Card 1

Card 2

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I have several bits of different crafting on the go at the moment, so keep an eye out for them over the next few weeks.

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Cards As Gifts – J

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Cards As Gifts – 10th Batch

This batch is larger than my previous batches of half a dozen cards I showed you from this series that I made to give in small packs to friends and family. If you haven’t seen the first post explaining what I’ve been up to then you can see it – here .

You can see previous posts in this series of Cards As Gifts by following these links – 1st Batch; 2nd Batch; 3rd Batch; 4th Batch; 5th Batch; 6th Batch; 7th Batch; 8th Batch; 9th Batch.

10 packs have gone out, one having a few more cards in it.  I should say that they haven’t gone out in packs as per the batches I’ve been showing here – I actually photographed them as I was going along, I then put all the cards in envelopes and separated them out into bundles at random, so I have no idea which cards went to which people – other than the two A4 sized ones which went in the larger batch of eleven cards.

What I Did

Have a look at my previous post – here – if you’ve not already read about what I did to create the cards.

What I Used
Finished Piece

These are not in batches as they were sent out, just as they were made and photographed.

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All 10 packs have now been received by the randomly chosen recipients from our Christmas card list.

So that’s the end of these series of posts showing all the cards I made to give away to friends and family.  As I showed at the start of the month I have used items from the collection to decorate the May page of my mother’s calendar, but there are still a lot of elements left from the collection that I haven’t used, so I expect you’ll be seeing more of them used over the next year or so.  In the meantime, I’m working on a few other things that will be appearing on my blog before long.

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Cards As Gifts – I

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Cards As Gifts – 9th Batch

As I said in my 1st post of these series – here – I can’t do anything much to help anybody during this COVID-19 pandemic, but I did decide to help out a few friends and family members by makeing some cards and sending some a small pack of cards so that they had something in the house to send to people while they could not go out to shop for cards or go and visit people in person to give them birthday good wishes.

I also explained why I chose the theme I did for the cards I’m gifting.

You can see previous posts in this series of Cards As Gifts by following these links – 1st Batch; 2nd Batch; 3rd Batch; 4th Batch; 5th Batch; 6th Batch; 7th Batch; 8th Batch;

What I Did

Have a look at my previous post – here – if you’ve not already read about what I did to create the cards.

What I Used
Finished Piece

These are not in batches as they were sent out, just as they were made and photographed.

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The image is flat matted to the black layer, but that has foam behind it to give the matted image a bit of dimension off the card without makeing it too dimensional for a C5 envelope.

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All 10 packs have now been received by the randomly chosen recipients from our Christmas card list.

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Cards As Gifts – 8th Batch

As I said in my 1st post of these series – here – I can’t do anything much to help anybody during this COVID-19 pandemic, but I did decide to help out a few friends and family members by makeing some cards and sending random ones, selected from my Christmas Card list, a small pack of cards so that they had something in the house to send to people while they could not go out to shop for cards or go and visit people in person to give them birthday good wishes.

I also explained why I chose the theme I did for the cards I’m gifting.

You can see previous posts in this series of Cards As Gifts by following these links – 1st Batch; 2nd Batch; 3rd Batch; 4th Batch; 5th Batch; 6th Batch; 7th Batch;

What I Did

Have a look at my previous post – here – if you’ve not already read about what I did to create the cards.

What I Used
Finished Piece

These are not in batches as they were sent out, just as they were made and photographed.

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While the picture is stuck straight to the card the frameing element was stuck on with foam tape to give it some dimension without being too dimensional for an ordinary C5 envelope.

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I do believe that all the packets of cards have arrived with those that have been chosen to receive them by now.

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Cards As Gifts – 7th Batch

As I said in my 1st post of these series – here – I can’t do anything much to help anybody during this COVID-19 pandemic, but I did decide to help out a few friends and family members by makeing some cards and sending random ones a small pack of cards so that they had something in the house to send to people while they could not go out to shop for cards or go and visit people in person to give them birthday good wishes.

I also explained why I chose the theme I did for the cards I’m gifting.

You can see previous posts in this series of Cards As Gifts by following these links – 1st Batch; 2nd Batch; 3rd Batch; 4th Batch; 5th Batch; 6th Batch;

What I Did

Have a look at my previous post – here – if you’ve not already read about what I did to create the cards.

What I Used
Finished Piece

These are not in batches as they were sent out, just as they were made and photographed.

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This, angled, view shows that, although quite simple cards, I have used foam tape to give a little dimension to them, without makeing them too dimensional to go in an ordinary C5 envelope.

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Hopefully by now some of the packets of cards will have arrived with those that have been chosen to receive them.

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Cards As Gifts – 6th Batch

As I said in my 1st post of these series – here – I can’t do anything much to help anybody during this COVID-19 pandemic, but I did decide to help out a few friends and family members by makeing some cards and sending random ones, chosen from my Christmas card list, a small pack of cards so that they had something in the house to send to people while they could not go out to shop for cards or go and visit people in person to give them birthday good wishes.

I also explained why I chose the theme I did for the cards I’m gifting.

You can see previous posts in this series of Cards As Gifts by following these links – 1st Batch; 2nd Batch; 3rd Batch; 4th Batch; 5th Batch

What I Did

Have a look at my previous post – here – if you’ve not already read about what I did to create the cards.

What I Used
Finished Piece

These are not in batches as they were sent out, just as they were made and photographed.

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I know that by now some of the packets of cards have arrived with those that have been chosen to receive them.

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Cards As Gifts – E

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Cards As Gifts – 5th Batch

As I said in my 1st post of these series – here – I can’t do anything much to help anybody during this COVID-19 pandemic, but I did decide to help out a few friends and family members by makeing some cards and sending random ones a small pack of cards so that they had something in the house to send to people while they could not go out to shop for cards or go and visit people in person to give them birthday good wishes.

I also explained why I chose the theme I did for the cards I’m gifting.

You can see previous posts in this series of Cards As Gifts by following these links – 1st Batch; 2nd Batch; 3rd Batch; 4th Batch.

What I Did

Have a look at my previous post – here – if you’ve not already read about what I did to create the cards.

What I Used
Finished Piece

These are not in batches as they were sent out, just as they were made and photographed.

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Hopefully by now some of the packets of cards will have arrived with those that have been chosen to receive them.

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Cards As Gifts – 4th Batch

As I said in my 1st post of these series – here – I can’t do anything much to help anybody during this COVID-19 pandemic, but I did decide to help out a few friends and family members by makeing some cards and sending random ones a small pack of cards so that they had something in the house to send to people while they could not go out to shop for cards or go and visit people in person to give them birthday good wishes.

I also explained why I chose the theme I did for the cards I’m gifting.

You can see previous posts in this series of Cards As Gifts by following these links – 1st Batch; 2nd Batch; 3rd Batch.

What I Did

Have a look at my previous post – here – if you’ve not already read about what I did to create the cards.

What I Used
Finished Piece

These are not in batches as they were sent out, just as they were made and photographed.

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Hopefully by now some of the packets of cards will have arrived with those that have been chosen to receive them.

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Cards As Gifts – 3rd Batch

As I said in my 1st post of these series – here – I can’t do anything much to help anybody during this COVID-19 pandemic, but I did decide to help out a few friends and family members by makeing some cards and sending random ones a small pack of cards so that they had something in the house to send to people while they could not go out to shop for cards or go and visit people in person to give them birthday good wishes.

I also explained why I chose the theme I did for the cards I’m gifting.

You can see previous posts in this series of Cards As Gifts by following these links – 1st Batch; 2nd Batch.

What I Did

Have a look at my previous post – here – if you’ve not already read about what I did to create the cards.

What I Used
Finished Piece

These are not in batches as they were sent out, just as they were made and photographed.

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An A4 sized card, very similar to one I showed previously but with greeting in different place.

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I used a plain, white, base card and put on a foiled, wrap around, acetate, before sticking the topper on.  Acetate is attached behind the topper.

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Slightly different angle to try and show that the frame is lifted up a bit using foam tape.

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One of the special “concept” cards from the collection.

Hopefully by now some of the packets of cards will have arrived with those that have been chosen to receive them.

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